Doctor Mike On Anxiety & Social Media | Conversation w/ Jonathan Haidt

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Chatting with Jonathan Haidt, the popular moral & social psychologist, about everything from social media to injustice to depression/anxiety. I have read a couple of his books and I have to say that Jonathon Haidt is one of the best out there in describing complex psychological situations in easy to understand terms. I truly recommend his books and website! Please let me know if you enjoy these long-form conversations as I’d love to chat with more great thinkers moving forward.

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39 COMMENTS

  1. It still beyond me that people are being so influenced by others that they actually have taken their own life? Especially girls I’m a women and was raise in a largely female family my brother is the middle of 4 girls. I always say to people that my father was such a great father for girls because that’s where girls get their confidence from! I agree wholeheartedly with your comments on its addictive quality of social media. I still have a hard time with the amount of influence it has on my grandkids! So much pressure on superficial things and weight. That is such an adult problem that kids are not equipped to handle at such a young age.not to base their judgments on others judgments. Who are they to you that you care so much about what they judge about you!!👎🏻☹️😢

  2. Pues no 👎
    Creo q como es guapo no sabe que ser “buleado “ . Hay una línea muy fina que separa ser molestado de ser “buleado” . hoy en día se cruza muy rápido.
    Bueno se puede discutir lo de las redes, pero la realidad es qué hay que aprender a convivir no alejarsez

  3. Dr.Mike is right about the algorithms. Also parents and friends should discuss subjects they have seen on social media in real life to balance things out.

  4. Then what should happen after someone gets into university with that overprotective upbringing? Those developmental years of learning to problem solve will never be got back.

  5. Being mistreated isn’t always good in the long-run. When it’s minor or doesn’t happen constantly yes. When you’ve been bullied you have trauma for the rest of your life which increases anxiety and depression.

  6. As far as nuance is concerned, I recommend Edward de Bono's classic, I Am Right and You Are Wrong. I look forward to reading Dr. Haidt's book. It's been a few years, think I'll re-read Dale Carnegie.

    I've been a university instructor for 13 years in business schools. Many of my students self-identify as having high anxiety, especially test anxiety, and from the growing number of emails and office hour visits I get every semester from students in emotional distress over their test scores, it's getting worse.

    I'm curious to see how and whether the pendulum will swing as Millenials and Gen Z raise their kids.

  7. I wish when i was teenager someone told me these things or i was more open to search by myself. BTW hearing truth at anytime is fresh.

  8. This really helped me a lot. In my 30 years of existence I’ve never imagined in my life that I could still experience this kind of anxiety/ depression about the social media. This video made me realize that I’m not the only one who is experiencing it and its ok to be sad as long as you can get back to your base line. Thank you for sharing this Doctor Mike.

  9. The first half of this video they say we should NOT be fragile and raise fragile kids, the next half of the video they talk about massively policing the internet from trolls, contradicting each other. Maybe we should just allow any kind of trolling and simply learn to completely ignore it.

  10. If you dont step in when they need you, it can be a big big mistake. I was told to not do for them what they can do for themselfs. I learn later the results of not stepping in. I made huge mistakes. My inner mom said to step in and I didn't.
    Parents, listen to your gut.
    Your kids can't always do what your neighbor's kid can do. Kids aren't all the same.

  11. This was an absolutely brilliant discussion! Thank you! So many thought provoking concepts – one being a big call for shining a flood light on the effects of social media.

    Now I am off to Amazon to order some books. In this time of Covid, I am seeking intellectual discussion based on balance and factual information. It is most frustrating to have the Trump haters amping up and flooding the airways with negative bias when we desperately need to work together – Tribal politics is divisive and growing exponentially. Seeking nuance as it is getting harder for those of us sitting in the middle.

  12. I was being bullied in grade school. I told my dad and initially, he talked to the teacher to sort it out which ended up not working as the other kid kept at it. So, he told me that I'd have to take care of it myself and he told me exactly what to do the next time he started in… I did what he said and he never bothered me again. It taught me that I will have to take care of things myself and take action to solve certain problems. Now, when i say bullied, I mean actually being bullied. It wasn't just teasing, it was physical bullying more than it was verbal. Nowadays it seems like just saying something negative is considered 'bullying,' and to me, it marginalizes actual bullying and as this discussion mentions, it weakens people by overprotecting them from things they actually can handle and just need the tools to do it. That's the job of the elders, to give us the proper tools to use so that we can build, rebuild or just fix things ourselves.

  13. this is really helpful content. id like to ask our medical youtuber in taiwan to make the discuss of these topic more local

  14. As a parent I admit I do coddle a bit, but it doesn’t help with society, as in CPS out here in Canada and schools. Not to mention sick AHoles! I try to old schools parent to a point.

  15. At first I really didn't like what was being said. I thought it was alarmist. BUT over the course of a few weeks, I kept thinking about what was actually said and realised the truth. This was a tough pill to swallow, but I appreciate it.

  16. This guest is spot on in his assessment of parenting, media, and growth. He's a real gem of a find. And thank you for explaining the purpose of cbt and how it would work for some people. Always wondered about that.

  17. I completely agree with all of this being said, however I am kind of curious about any alterations on rates. I do understand the effect of parental techniques that can cause anxiety and depression, however where can our rates of depression and anxiety compare to past rates with changing levels and techniques in diagnosing. With stigma in older generations for the idea of expressing emotions and being treated for depression, versus the opening up of younger people with this, is it enough to alter the severity of depression and anxiety rates then compared to now? I'm absolutely just curious, not going against anything said. Just something similar to misdiagnosing of autism earlier on or there were 'less' gay people, but we don't really know because a lot more people feel comfortable being open about this now versus 50 years ago.

  18. As someone who has just started the video but has graduated in a Bachelor's Degree in Psychology, I already feel extremely skeptical about Haidt's claims that "society made us fragile by treating us like we're fragile. Anxiety and Depression, as decades of research has shown, is caused by pressure, violence, abuse, and many other such factors. But in no way does "cuddling" someone make them fragile. I have not seen a single study, paper and much less a meta-analysis that demonstrates such claims. However, not gonna lie, I did use to believe the same thing before getting into Psychology.

    I say this, because I appreciate your channel, Dr. Mike, and usually, you have a lot of science-based videos, but this one…I remain very skeptical about.

    EDIT: I do agree with some of the statements he makes, but not all of them. Some of them seem unfounded in science. Not to mention more doubt settled in when he mixed up Pavlovian and Operant Conditioning.

  19. You should start a podcast if you're able to! These types of conversations are always so interesting to hear and learn from 🙂

  20. Brilliant. When my kids hear about how I grew up they think I must have been unhappy but the opposite is true. Times were hard but that meant that we were capable of recognising wonderful things when they came our way. We had so little that we got genuine pleasure out of simple things. Did I feel deprived because I had chores to do? No, because everyone did. We had a tough childhood growing up during a recession but we were resilient, imaginative, creative and independent. Now a lot of kids suffer from present fatigue and short attention spans because they have so much stuff, nothing excites or engages them. They're like little Roman emperors and they're perennially bored. Is it their fault? No. This is they way the world is now. Kids mustn't ever want or need anything. They mustn't strive, they mustn't struggle. Everything has to be sanitised and made safe & happy for them. I am NOT advocating any form of neglect or abuse but kids do need to learn to overcome, learn to strive, learn to be better human beings down the line.

  21. You are clearly a brilliant man. You say FOX is not as high quality. Are you suggesting that CNN or MSNBC (propaganda) is better? let me remind you that FOX has ratings that exceed both of those networks combined. The American public sees right through BS. I am personally highly educated and FOX is the only TV news I can watch. I was once a liberal but I was smart enough to move right. Please tell me what you do watch for real information. Please save yourself in my eyes because I have no idea why you said that.

  22. man, they need to talk about reddit or 4chan. i think they represent the perfect embodiment of social media (maybe not 4chan, but it was a good consept). They have nowhere nearly as much of the "algorithm" they speak of in other social platforms, and they have numerous subcommunitites fitting for infinitely different types of people. I think they are an example of how social media ISN'T the root problem, but rather this "algorithm" that Dr. Mike speaks of. Dr. Haidt seems to only give examples of social media usage that includes strong influence from this "algorithm"

  23. Cool, two guys I respect are both descendants of Russian immigrants. I served a religious mission in Russia for 2 years and love those people. Thanks for the good video and information. Thank you for speaking against social/mental fragility, excessive tribalism, the problems of social media, etc. Be strong people and help the next generation become mentally antifragile – such a good message.

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